gun and ammo sales are up, but why?.....

plenty of news stories stating that gun sales and ammo sales are up. questionaries filled out by buyers of both state two basic reasons. one being that obama will ban or make buying guns very hard or impossible. the second that he will support new taxes on ammo and/or weapons. well it appears that obama will be our next president so let's analyze his gun record. if mccain pulls it off, and i have major doubts i will go and review his stances on guns. fair is fair, right? for now let's assume an obama victory and see what he thinks.....

well i can't comment on those theories. i can only go upon obama's record/statements on gun control issues. here they are......


FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.b. ban assault weapons? Yes.c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008

form this fact check it appears that the gun buyers might be right...but let's look further....


Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008

this statement leaves out that the dc gun ban also basically banned legal handgun from law abiding citizens for the most part. it pretty much made them useless for defending one's self at their home. so i perosnally think obama is way off on this issue. the solution isn't banning guns..the solution is punishing those who possess illegal gun with lifetime prison sentences. the facts are that crimes commited with weapons in cities are done with illegal weapons...and hence gun bans only stop law abiding citizens from owning them...not criminals who do not follow thew rules anyways. this is hardly rocket science. how these politicians miss this amazes me. so maybe the gun guyers are right, but let's look further to be fair....


Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008

fair enough. is don't see a problem with this. it also gives me some hope that obama does respect the 2nd amendment somewhat...not as much as i'd like, but hey you can't have everything, right? let's keeping looking though....


Concealed carry OK for retired police officers Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."
It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007

well this bothers me. i supoort concealed permits for those who take the required classes and certifications. once again criminlas don't care they will carry concealed law or no law. it only stop slaw abiding citizens from meeting brute force with brute force and protecting themselveas and the families. sorry obama, but i think you are missing the forest throuhg the tress on this issue. as for retired police officers being able to carry them...what's the difference. once retired a plice officer is no longer a police officer. they are a reguler tax paying citizen no different thean me or the like. why should they get the ability to protect themselves and i can't?

let's keep looking...



Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007

hummm...i agree except for one thing not being said. sure you can stop the gun dumping, but would there be gun dumping if there wasn't a market for it? the answer is no. the harsh reality is that the gun dumpers aren't creating a market, rather they are just fulfilling a "need." the real truth is to stop this you have to change the culture and stop the demand for guns. hard to do since a large population of these people are criminals. we already know criminals don't care about laws...so no law will stop this. it seems to me the gun banning advocates want to try to solve the symptom of the pronblem and not the problem itself.

let's keep reading...


Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that's good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

first off i like Mr. Keyes who ran agiasnt Mr. Obama for the seat. his view of assulat weapons i agree with, but we are addressing obama's views not mr. keyes. well my issue hewre is the myth that assualt weapons are desinged only to "kill" people. first what describes an assualt weapon. what i consider one someone else might not. for example to me a semi-auto 30-06 is an assualt weapon. not much different than an ar-15...except the 30-06 will kill, better an faster than a .223 or a 5.56mm nato round will. in reality what defines an assualt weapon? a caliber? how mnay bullet the cartridge holds? i'm at a loss on how to determine one. most semi auto hunitn rifles could be considered assualt weapons...but instead it tends to fall on ar-15's and ak-47's and other such weapons that have been used in wars. the legal definition breaks down into a detachable magazine, and selective fire, and a few other points. it basically targets ar-15's and the like. for now anyways, who's to say that won't change? anyways...ironoically, history shows shotguns were the preferred weapon in the american civil war and most southerners brought their own shotguns to battle. so weapons desinged to kill humans could be applied to shotguns. truth be told what is a .22lr 2.5" barreled semi-pistol used for? you aren't hunting with it. it's wouldbe crap at target shooting for sport. well the reality is it's would be used for protection at close range. basically a weapon desinged to kill a human. before you rant on about how a .22lr wouldn't kill a cockroach...remember that the viginia tech shooter/looney sicko used as one of his weapons a walther p22 .22lr pistol. also remember that more lives have been taken with .22lr rounds than any other. in a rifle it is a deadly caliber. at close range in a pistol 10 rounds from a .22lr at 3-4yards would be devasting. so yes it can kill and has. my point is all guns are deisnge dwith one fucntion to kill. regardless of claiber size...banning one semi auto seems pretty stupid to me. once again....law abiders should be able to own weapons including semi -auto assualt rifles and even fully auto ones.. but i do support a license situation and certification and training. next issue.....


Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

okay this scares me. banning all semi autos. including your handguns. well obviously mr. obama didn't pay attention in constitutional amendment day in class while at law school. that amendment clearly states that citizens are to be able to own weapons to defend themselves from a overpowering govt running out of control. now hw is one going to do that against a trained military with m-16's and you can't even own a 9mm semi-auto pistol. i guess a revolver is a fair match aginst a sniper rifle. come on! it doesn't amtter if times were different then or not the constitution is wrotten ins tone and cannot be changed. our forefather's forcasted this would happen and they decided to allow us to protect not only ourselves and our property from an out of control govt, but also from politicians like obama who want to strip it from us. sorry obama....this one is enough that i am tried of researching you. the gun buyers are right. we will do everything you can to punish those who follow the rules, while allowing criminals who commit violent crimes with weapons to get a pass. no where did you mention increasing penatlies on these criminals. this i ahve a big problem with. punish those who break the rules, not thsoe who follow them. well we will do one more as this one defies logic unless your a lawyer.....


Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

sorry i know lawyers need new money rich targets with deep packets to shake down and steal from, but there is no way that the shop, distributor, nor manufacturer can be responsible for what a perosn does with their weapon. this is nothing more than a scheme to shake down deep pockets. the criminal who commited the crime has nothing to get. they are poor and have no insurance to chase after for a big payout. so typical trial lawyers is we have to get the law to allow us to shake down the deeper pockets further up the line. this obama supported. sorry but i think law has it's palce and being a lawyer deos as well, but i refuse to allow legal blackmail be commited on those who have something to lose. the reality is if someone who was dirt poor beat the living crap out of you with their fists in your yard, and ended up causing your permanent damage for life. you couldn't find a lawyer anywehere to take this case...the reaon why is there is no money to get from the dirtbag who attacked you. no insurance, no investments...nothing. now have that same dirtbag commit the same crime in a super market or walmart parking lot...well the lawyers will line up to get a chance to do you justice. they will sue the walmart or grocery store and their insrucance company for not having proper security to protect you, etc. the point is and the relity is lawyers aren't doing squat for you they are making themselves money. in this country the lawyers have set it up to allow those who have nothing to lose get away with trouble and those who have something to lose...they will come after you like a starving pitbull. well that's enough for me to know that the gun buyers might be right. who knows until we have a new president and what they actaully do or don't do, but i sure hope common sense gets stuck into obama's mind and he remembers laws only hurt law followers, not criminals. nothing will be fixed with more gun laws.